Norwich Science Fiction Group

Sep. 20th, 2017 11:34 pm
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Went to the Ribs of Beef again for first and third Wednesday science fiction group.
We actually talked science fiction for the whole evening, helped along by an argument about AI and self driving cars and the ethics of trolley problems and so forth.

Also I complained about the shows I've been watching. ... I should find something to yaay about.

Also also I had not watched what the others said was just on TV. But neither had two out of three of them. Electric dreams? Googling says it's on channel 4 and I can probably get it on the catch up. But it's PKD and I'm not sure that's a promising start.

There's so much to watch and read and listen that we seldom have much overlap. Makes conversation interesting but difficult.

I'm always like a year behind because of waiting for DVDs. I'm getting ever more tempted to subscribe to one of the paid ways to get things quicker. Don't know though, it's not like I watch all my DVDs fast enough to get through the To Watch pile as is, having stuff to watch every week seems unlikely to very work.

But the talking worked good, so, yaays.

The Flash season 3

Sep. 20th, 2017 06:58 pm
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Watched the musical episode.
That was bad.
The songs were just plunked in there. Running home to you was cute but sounded weird. Everything else was only there because it was designated musical episode.
If the songs donot show you things the characters couldn't speak, don't bother.
And if the elseworld is supposed to be generated by their brain then the characters alternate selves should tell you something about how the dreamers see them, or what's the point?
So, no point.
Very boring.

... to be fair I watched it mostly on fast forward and am not a fan of sound so you could guess I'm not the target audience here
but I loved the Buffy musical and have the soundtrack
so it's not like I always hate things like this.

I just don't think they bothered using their conceit, let alone for the things it does uniquely well.
Boring.

The Flash season 3

Sep. 20th, 2017 05:37 pm
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Barry goes into the speed force to get Wally out.
Aka yet another not-Snart, why do they do this to us?

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Lots of interesting story parts. I'm annoyed at Barry, not the writers.

... though Barry doing hero stuff again would be quite nice too.

as good as

Sep. 20th, 2017 02:58 pm
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I was reading a couple news items about a survey that reckoned it revealed depression in a quarter of teenagers
and one thing that stuck in my mind to bother me
was they took a statement something like "I will never be as good as other kids"
to be a sign of depression.
Actually I double checked and it's “I thought I could never be as good as other kids.”

Thing is, when you're in school, everyone being graded all the time, you get a pretty good idea of if you're getting top grades or not, and what your range is, and how well your best is going to be received. And you know if you are actually as good as other kids. Because half of people are below average, and not as good... at things they're asked to do and be assessed on.

So, like, the phrasing is so broad it doesn't invite a nuanced answer, and it's trying to pick up on low self worth, but it's got nothing they mentioned to check how realistic they're being if they're interpreting it in grades A-C or other quantifiables.

And it shouldn't be that you hate yourself as a person for low grades, but if acknowledging you have low grades is taken as a sign of mental illness, that is a whole different problem. Like, realism isn't illness.

And maybe some people are good at some things and not others, and maybe some people are good at some socially or financially valuable things and not others, and it's a whole stack of assumptions to say some people are below average at everything they've tried, but, I suspect, some people are below average at everything they've tried, and noticing that isn't ill.

Though it's probably depressing.

I feel like society has lost the balance between striving to be your best and acknowledging that only one person is the best. Like, all this best rhetoric doesn't leave many places for the rest of us to stand, even though we're the vast majority.

And that's what that one survey question made me think of, even though it only had meaning in context added together with questions about miserable crying and hating themselves.



In related thoughts, thinking that the future is not going to get better may be a symptom, but it may also be a consequence of just reading the headlines...

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Sep. 19th, 2017 09:52 pm
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squick of the day: when reading old (old) meta and they start trying to fit Team TARDIS into a sedoretu without knowing who River is...

... canon was awkward, but not that awkward.

Sedoretu

Sep. 19th, 2017 08:20 pm
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I was reading some sedoretu fic
and it just seems, like, really practical and useful and stuff.
Like, those relationships staying together seems solid.

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Sep. 19th, 2017 03:34 am
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It might be nice to live somewhere that the neighbours were not three in the morning people
or you didn't have to play 'bottle or window - smash noise identification'

the flash season 3

Sep. 18th, 2017 09:55 pm
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with a very fast engagement, Wally's mom, and a bit of an oops.

also the point where I'm pretty sure me knowing the ending means I'm not getting the same experience of watching this. so spoilers for later episodes below.

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Why is Barry having a big argument about killing Grodd
and nobody is mentioning
Al Rothstein, Eddie Slick and Griffin Grey.

Were there others? I honestly can't remember right now.

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I am also bored by mind control, so that's a blah.

But Grodd stories, especially one where the first half had Barry win by doing a Reverse Flash, are about how they're both shaped by how they were raised, and what that man Grodd calls father gave them. So there's three of Wells in this story, the two live bodies and the influence of the murderer. Which is cool. Barry deciding whether or not to kill is absolutely a story to explore with this kind of comparison.

But it really needs to remember he already did.

the flash season 3

Sep. 18th, 2017 06:29 pm
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Gorilla City, Grodd, and at least three versions of Harry.

I hate it when the characters are stupid. It gets boring.

... that's actually like 90% of my reaction to this one.

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Identity and Reverse Flash

Sep. 18th, 2017 12:35 am
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I was just thinking an aspect of why I get interested in Reverse Flash:
because of paradox and going backwards, he has a whole story telling him who to be. And you can write him as striving to have an individual identity in the face of that imposed story. And that's usually a woman's arc, like struggling to break free of a spy training facility or whatever, the story tells her to be evil and powerful and she just wants room to exist.
That's not the main supported story that Reverse Flash is trying to tell
but I just realised where it fits in my pattern of interests.

He got told who he would grow up to be, and he'll break the universe if he doesn't become that.
Like it or not.


Of course Flash is told who he's going to be, but he keeps phrasing it in terms of future events to happen or not, not straight up identity.

Reverse Flash had his identity defined by his relationship to a guy. Hate hate relationship, at the simplest reading, but still. Usually that happens to characters getting called Lady Whatever because they're standing next to Lord Whatever.


And then to empower Barry - who he hates - Thawne sets aside his names, personal and family, and again lives another man's story. And yeah, saving Barry's destiny is the only way to save his own life, he props Barry up so he can use him, but. It's the story of someone setting aside their own name and career to support someone else, who is going to be seen as greater than them.

When Eobard got his wish in Doomworld he was still running a lab, but as himself, getting awards and recognition in his own name. That's his wish, but he can't have it, because Flash.



Of course all of this is way murdery. He loses his own life because he did a murder. He gets to live in a fancy house and all that rich stuff, this isn't a story of his suffering.

I'm just identifying the trope hooks that make his half of the story more compelling to me.

If you want to tell it that way, there's some very familiar elements.

the flash season 3

Sep. 18th, 2017 12:26 am
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the one with the disintegration guy

I keep finding myself agreeing with Julian where the story clearly doesn't.
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Sep. 17th, 2017 06:58 pm
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Someone on my doorstep is pointing out that if you get a ticket for parking in town (few hundred m away) it's £25 but if we park outside our own actual flats it's £100

so their cunning plan is to park in town.

I kind of want to open the window and point out that if we park in our very own designated F spaces
we should not get a ticket
which, you know, even cheaper.

But next to nobody parks underneath where the F spaces are because next to nobody can get a car in and out of the underneath parking
and, also
I only found this crucial information by phoning the stupid parking company
they didn't bother telling us
as far as I recall.

makes me glad I have no car.
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Last night I dreamt a Mick/Ray plot bunny
which, no, Ray blew that, you don't propose partnership and then go off with the new guy like it's nothing
but
Mick and Ray nearly got blown up and finally kissed
but
then Ray found a ring around his neck with his fiancee's name and a date
and further investigation revealed
something they had just done had changed the timeline enough
she hadn't died.

And as a plot bunny that is excellent.

Because one, she's now a time aberration, but like Lily she's one the Legends are going to really not want to undo.

Two, it's a great chance to explore Ray's urge to be a hero, the ridiculous oversupply of fridged women, and how much of a difference Ray has made in the world.
Seeing as Ray's thing is he always feels he's been too small to make a difference
and he has to be the Atom to do so
there's a lot of angles and mileage there.
Maybe he gets to see a world where he was never the Atom and it all went horribly wrong
but that is most boring
so
make it so his crew tell him all the ways it would go horribly wrong without him
and then have him look at history
and
nothing much has changed.
So at first he's super depressed. He really never did make a difference. Woe is him.
Also opportunity to beat himself up for not saving her before
given that time can apparently weather it
and it made no odds to him.
But, he eventually notices, unlike when Star Wars never got made, he still has both his knowledge and his suit.
It isn't that time hasn't caught up with him.
And it turns out that seeing his city get wrecked? Repeatedly? Even without any more personal loss, was enough to get him on the exact same path, trying to save people.

Turns out some humans just like saving other humans, say if they've been literal boy scouts their whole lives, it don't take a tragedy.

But,
three,
now there's Mick. Being dumped again. For someone's revived beloved, which has to hurt extra. He has his own ring and it isn't changing. Mick would be miserable.
And Ray is merely clueless about humans, not actively a jerk to his dates, so he would care.
But he's married. So no more kissing.
But them there's a peculiar paradox, in that a Ray who was that monogamously married wouldn't have been there with Mick doing kissing, wouldn't have nudged the timeline in such a way that he was married, so would have kissed, so wouldn't, so would...
... which is a headache inducing oscillating paradox such as time really can't be having with.
But it's not giving any headaches?
Memory headaches for Ray, sure, but nobody seems to be forgetting anything.

So it turns out the solution to paradox is polyamory.

Ray's wife knows perfectly well that he tends to collect people, and is better friends with some of his exes than he is now. And it's not like she would be spending Waverider time with him anyway. So she's fine with Mick.

And Mick...


... see that's where the whole thing falls apart from my point of view. Mick's partner should be his *partner*, not a part timer. He's the one reaching out, it should work some time.

But he's immediately switching to advice for the new partners when Ray goes off with Nate, so we know he's generous like that.

I just think he could do better.

But hey, plot bunny, many useful angles.

The Flash season 3

Sep. 16th, 2017 10:18 pm
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Why on earth would the tv go with Gypsy as a code name, when it's rude and the character has nothing in common with the DC comics hero of that name?

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Lots of interesting bits
but this season has not grabbed me.

The Flash season 3

Sep. 16th, 2017 07:28 pm
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moving in to their new place and actually talking to each other
... also some jewel thief had a shiny gun? and no personality.
... also also there was a STAR labs museum.

I was unimpressed with this one. Read more... )



I think I'm liking neither the mental health nor the time travel stuff, because of how they deal with it and talk about it, and that leaves very little to potentially like.

Ah well. Onwards anyways.

Flash season 3 christmas episode

Sep. 16th, 2017 12:16 am
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Have I mentioned how much I hate stories where the only reason people do things is mind control?
Because it keeps being relevant that the only reason people do things is mind control.

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Um, this show appears to annoy me?

It's the mental health stuff, it can't really come back from that, it's a super bad model and does nothing good even for the narrative let alone the representation.



I keep rewriting it in my head like what I would do if I inherited STAR labs from my supervillain husband. Which obviously the tv is not going to be about.

But the All Star Squadron is a name they could put to work.

... ideas, I has them. no complains, unless in form of my own fiction...

The Flash season 3 Invasion xover

Sep. 15th, 2017 10:56 pm
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So, have now seen the start of the Invasion.
I'd like to say it makes more sense now, but they seem to have chopped it into three different types of story, of stages, or something. It's a mind boggling jam packed rush even from the start.

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They packed so much in the only bit I managed to properly care about was the Wally story. I don't get why Iris is on team lie to him though, you'd think someone on this show would learn. Well, Cisco has, but still. Ugh.

Yaay Kid Flash, and please to be telling him reasonable reasons, like he needs training and experience that are not dreams.

The appearance of the newspaper though... if they can even check that, what has happened to their Gideon, how much future knowledge is in there, and what reason other than temporal can of worms do they have to not use it for research? Even focused so it won't tell them tomorrow, what is it they're ignoring? More than just a page.

The change was good.

But it still mentions Reverse Flash, and I want to see if/when *that* changes.

Like, Reverse Flash was obsessed with that page for a reason. Top of my list of theories? It's his own personal future, a headline he hasn't participated in yet, so keeping that on track means he has a tomorrow.

Second is he knows the significance of the red skies.

Reverse Flash being undone should screw up that day along with all the rest. Grandfather paradox is a problem, not a solution.

... I am focused on the wrong bits.


Alien Invasion setup achieved. Now to wait for Arrow so I can see the middle...


... and in the meantime, watch more Flash.

The Flash season 3

Sep. 15th, 2017 01:51 am
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Killer Frost, Alchemy and Wally

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... I do not like how writers are presenting this, even when I can make it make watsonian sense.



What I don't like is the characters never have the conversation I would consider obvious, and just flail in maximum drama.

I should write, if I want a different story.

dancing and shopping

Sep. 14th, 2017 09:59 pm
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went to Bollywood Sparkles.
no dancing next week.
this week was fun. we were all bad at it but in a laughing with way, because it is hard all getting to your places in time.

Shopping worked except for fizzy water, because I will only buy the basics sort, because expensive water is daft.

I am All Done and super tired
because i slept all day
and forgot to eat, which i am fixing right now.

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